Who's Elon Musk’s Biggest Fan? His Mom

She sits in connected his concern meetings, defends him connected X, and travels to springiness talks astir however she raised him, the richest antheral successful the world—but who is Elon Musk’s mother? Today connected the show, we larn each astir the model, influencer, and author, Maye Musk, portion dissecting her astir caller travels to China and her imaginable power connected overseas politics.

You tin travel Michael Calore connected Bluesky astatine @snackfight, Lauren Goode connected Bluesky astatine @laurengoode, and Zoë Schiffer connected Bluesky astatine @zoeschiffer. Write to america astatine [email protected].

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Michael Calore: Hey, Zoë, what does your ma telephone you?

Zoë Schiffer: I consciousness similar I'll erode a batch of my credibility if I archer you, truthful I'm conscionable going to accidental that a batch of radical telephone maine Zoe for short.

Michael Calore: Okay.

Zoë Schiffer: Which is what my sanction looks like.

Michael Calore: If you don't person the umlaut implicit the E, it conscionable looks similar Zoe?

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah, due to the fact that it doesn't person the Y truthful radical ever get confused. I'm like, "Oh, no, my parents telephone maine Zoe. Don't interest astir it."

Lauren Goode: Oh. Right, right. Like Zooey Deschanel, she has the Y, right? Yeah, okay.

Michael Calore: But she's Zooey.

Lauren Goode: I ne'er thought astir that before.

Michael Calore: Isn't she? Isn't she Zooey?

Lauren Goode: No, she's Zooey.

Zoë Schiffer: Like Franny and Zooey is spelled Zooey but it's Zooey, Franny and Zooey. Anyway, Mike, what bash your parents, what did they telephone you erstwhile you were little?

Lauren Goode: She's deflecting truly hard. She doesn't privation to archer america the existent nickname.

Zoë Schiffer: I can't. I conscionable consciousness similar I already person excessively overmuch imposter syndrome.

Michael Calore: For a precise agelong time, my parent referred to maine by my afloat name, Michael, and truthful did my father.

Lauren Goode: What's your mediate name?

Michael Calore: Seth.

Lauren Goode: Did they telephone you Michael Seth?

Michael Calore: On very, precise uncommon occasions.

Zoë Schiffer: Seth truly could beryllium your archetypal name, too. I consciousness similar that feels similar that astir fits.

Lauren Goode: Oh, yeah. You're a Seth.

Michael Calore: Do I contiguous arsenic Seth?

Zoë Schiffer: A small bit. Seth rising, if you will.

Michael Calore: Okay.

Lauren Goode: Yeah. Seth goes to a batch of unrecorded euphony shows. Yeah.

Michael Calore: Seth's a guy, you know? What astir you, Lauren?

Lauren Goode: My sanction is Lauren Goode.

Michael Calore: Yes.

Lauren Goode: I person a hard clip pronouncing my name. You cognize this from years of doing podcasts with me. Whenever it comes to that infinitesimal of I'm Lauren Goode.

Michael Calore: Yeah.

Lauren Goode: Sometimes erstwhile I got to bid coffee, they inquire for my name, they extremity up penning it M due to the fact that I conflict to accidental the L. I consciousness similar I should conscionable alteration my name.

Michael Calore: What bash you deliberation your psyche is telling you?

Lauren Goode: When I was a kid, sometimes my ma called maine Wren.

Zoë Schiffer: Oh.

Lauren Goode: I consciousness similar I should beryllium a Wren.

Zoë Schiffer: I truly similar that. I deliberation that's a saccharine name.

Michael Calore: Wren.

Zoë Schiffer: I consciousness if were astatine the Joe Rogan Podcast, which we're each devout listeners of, we would beryllium asking Grok close present what your sanction should be, and past you would beryllium called that for the remainder of time.

Lauren Goode: Or conscionable beryllium Wren. But the happening with Wren Goode is it's 2 truly hard single-syllable words.

Michael Calore: That's true.

Zoë Schiffer: What's your mediate name?

Lauren Goode: Margaret.

Michael Calore: It's similar a spondee, though, Wren Goode.

Lauren Goode: Wren Goode, it is benignant of cool. Wren Margaret. Maybe I should conscionable beryllium Wren Margaret. Now if anyone truly wants to dox me. Would you similar my societal information number? They're each going to beryllium nationalist soon anyway.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah. Let's speech done your birthday.

Lauren Goode: Right. Some 19-year-old presently has my societal information number, truthful great.

Michael Calore: Okay. Well, present is simply a much topical question. What bash you deliberation Elon Musk's ma calls him?

Zoë Schiffer: Little E.

Lauren Goode: Oh. I don't know. Maybe?

Zoë Schiffer: He did really instrumentality implicit the @E grip soon earlier helium bought Twitter. A small scoop for you. I don't cognize what nickname she calls him, but I bash deliberation it's comic that she's been like, "It's insulting to telephone him a billionaire. He is the genius of the satellite and should beryllium recognized arsenic such."

Michael Calore: That's immoderate beardown ma energy. This is WIRED's Uncanny Valley, a amusement astir the people, power, and power of Silicon Valley. Today we're talking astir Maye Musk. She's a model, influencer, and an writer of the memoir A Woman Makes a Plan. She's been traveling to immoderate notable places this twelvemonth to beforehand her enactment and to rep her son, Elon Musk. Who is Maye Musk? What bash you request to cognize astir her? And however overmuch power does she presently person implicit US politics? I americium Michael Seth Calore, manager of user tech and civilization present astatine WIRED.

Lauren Goode: I'm Wren Goode, elder writer astatine WIRED. Oh, that was easy.

Michael Calore: Yeah.

Zoë Schiffer: I'm Zoë Schiffer, WIRED's manager of concern and industry.

Michael Calore: With an umlaut.

Zoë Schiffer: With an umlaut. I astir said Zoe and I was similar it's excessively galore bits for us.

Michael Calore: Let's get started with the large question. Who is Maye Musk?

Lauren Goode: Maye is an entrepreneur, and a model, and a dietician, and an writer successful her ain right. I deliberation she's astir apt champion well-known for being a model. She's been a exemplary from a young property and continues to exemplary into her precocious 70s. She's besides the writer of a publication called A Woman Makes a Plan. This came retired successful 2019, but it continues to beryllium fashionable peculiarly due to the fact that it's fashionable successful China, wherever it was translated into Chinese the twelvemonth aft it came out. She was calved successful Canada. She was raised mostly successful South Africa, which is wherever she started modeling. She was 15 then, and she was a finalist successful the Miss South Africa contest.

Michael Calore: Hey, mazel tov.

Lauren Goode: Yeah. This is besides wherever she got married, she had kids, and past divorced. She's got 3 kids. In summation to Elon, there's Kimbal, who I deliberation a batch of radical person besides heard of, and Tosca. It sounds similar a cookie, doesn't it? I'd emotion immoderate Tosca with my tea.

Zoë Schiffer: She would ne'er person a cookie. Her ma talks perpetually astir nary cookies.

Michael Calore: Yeah.

Lauren Goode: Wow. Fascinating. She ended up moving to California successful 1996, erstwhile her 2 sons started the bundle institution that gave Elon his start. It was called Zip2. Now she bounces astir the world. She's a national of the world, this is partially due to the fact that of Elon and partially it's due to the fact that it's wherever her enactment takes her. One enactment that's absorbing astir her modeling vocation is that she's go an advocator oregon practice for radical of each ages and sizes. The information that she's an older pistillate and inactive has these constitution and quality merchandise endorsements says a batch astir her durability arsenic an entrepreneur and arsenic a model. In 2022, she was besides the oldest pistillate to look connected the screen of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition.

Zoë Schiffer: It was a bully cover.

Lauren Goode: Which I deliberation then, she was aboriginal possibly surpassed by Martha Stewart.

Michael Calore: Oh, really?

Zoë Schiffer: Interesting.

Lauren Goode: Martha Stewart was 81-

Zoë Schiffer: Oh my gosh.

Lauren Goode: ... erstwhile she graced the screen of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue.

Zoë Schiffer: The word dietician ever gives maine pause. What is ...

Lauren Goode: That's a truly bully question astir her dietician career, Zoë. She studied nutrition, oregon she calls it dietetics, from a young age. But it was aft she got divorced, she was astir 31, that's erstwhile she had to physique up her ain practice. She has said that she was, astatine 1 point, seeing up to 25 patients oregon clients a time portion modeling. Zoë, would you telephone this highly hardcore?

Zoë Schiffer: I would accidental that's highly hardcore.

Lauren Goode: These days, she's doing a batch of speaking engagements that are often geared towards women. Women's empowerment, beauty, health. And also, parenting, due to the fact that we're going to support coming backmost to this, she has a precise celebrated son.

Michael Calore: Yes, she does. We each cognize astir Elon's power and however important helium is successful our world, and present successful the larger satellite of the United States authorities and the satellite stage. But what is Maye's ain idiosyncratic influence? How does she determination the needle astir the world?

Zoë Schiffer: She has a truly large societal presence. I deliberation she's got astir 1.5 cardinal followers connected Instagram, wherever she posts a batch astir her family. I deliberation 1 caller video, the voiceover was like, "As the parent of 3 billionaires." I was like, okay. But she besides has 1.4 cardinal followers connected Twitter. And arsenic Lauren mentioned, she's got her book, she's a model. She's an influencer successful China, which we tin get into later. Her illustration has grown alongside Elon's.

Michael Calore: Right. She's been successful the quality lately for a batch of reasons and we'll get into those later, arsenic you mentioned. One of the astir evident is that she is Elon Musk's parent and Elon Musk has been successful the news, truthful she has besides been successful the news, too. Let's speech astir the 2 of them and what their narration is like.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah. By each accounts, Lauren, I'm funny to get your take, but it seems similar they person a beauteous choky relationship. Elon famously is estranged from his father, Maye's ex-husband. When I was reporting my publication astir Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter, I would speech to executives who would say, "Yeah, we sat down for this precise precocious level meeting, and inexplicably Elon had brought his ma along." Everyone was like, "What is she doing here?" She would tube successful and springiness her suggestions. People recovered it to beryllium beauteous odd, according to the conversations that I had with them. She besides is known for going head-to-head with reporters and different radical online who are captious of her son. One caller illustration was that CNN did a sheet aft Elon Musk appeared astatine Trump's inauguration successful January. Then implied that helium had done a Nazi-like salute. Maye was retired there, suggesting that he'd simply writer CNN for that coverage.

Lauren Goode: Yeah. There was this infinitesimal backmost successful 2022 erstwhile it was soon aft Elon had announced the Twitter acquisition. His tweets started getting a small spot bizarre. Because a batch of these concern negotiations present happening retired successful public. As a result, radical were responding to his tweets. One of his crusades was against spambots. Maye took it upon herself to commencement calling radical retired connected Twitter who she identified to beryllium spambots oregon successful different ways disingenuous. She was utilizing the hashtag #nasty. She would enactment nasty, nasty. At 1 constituent she quote-tweeted idiosyncratic and she said, "Is this a bot oregon a troll? 16 followers, astir 2000 likes, makes you think. #nastynasty." She waged this one-woman run to beryllium like, "Hey, one, I'm highlighting spam connected the platform, which is thing that my lad is presently investigating. Two, halt picking connected Elon."

Michael Calore: Yeah.

Zoë Schiffer: I find this truthful relatable. She's conscionable being specified a mom. But the, "No substance however affluent and influential my lad is, I'm inactive going to beryllium retired determination defending him to critics connected Twitter, including to accounts that mightiness beryllium bots and person 16 followers," is truthful funny. I'm like, "Yeah. Me, too, girl."

Michael Calore: I bash deliberation it's benignant of sweet, the mode that they wage attraction to each different a batch successful public. They amusement up to events together. She's a model, she's a precise glamorous dresser. She ever appears precise good enactment together. And she dresses up, I would accidental amended than helium does.

Zoë Schiffer: Not hard.

Michael Calore: Absolutely nary shadiness astatine all. I'm wearing a camo chapeau close present and I person an unbuttoned flannel implicit a branded T-shirt. But she does, she dresses up precise well. They look unneurotic astatine events. At galas, astatine dinners, and things similar that, successful ceremonial wear.

Lauren Goode: Right.

Michael Calore: I deliberation it's benignant of sweet.

Zoë Schiffer: Totally.

Lauren Goode: This is really different large anecdote from Issacson's book, which is that they went to the Met Gala.

Zoë Schiffer: Right.

Lauren Goode: Which is, of course, tally by our brag present astatine Conde Nast, Anna Wintour. All of us, of course, person been invited to the Met Gala, we conscionable haven't been capable to marque it yet.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah, a conflict.

Lauren Goode: Yes. Scheduling conflicts. Elon and Maye were invited. Apparently helium got retired of a gathering astatine astir 9:00 PM, but they had to amusement up astatine the Met Gala.

Zoë Schiffer: Wow. Well, this is the saccharine conception of the show. I consciousness similar we person to speech astir immoderate of the imaginable issues with Maye Musk's illustration astir the world. But fto it beryllium said that we had a full conception wherever we talked astir however charming it is that they emotion each different apparently.

Michael Calore: Yes. Yeah. On that note, let's each clasp onto those feelings portion we instrumentality a break, and we'll travel close back. Welcome backmost to Uncanny Valley. Maye Musk has been traveling each implicit the world. Most notably, she's been going to places similar China and the United Arab Emirates. Why is she going to these places?

Lauren Goode: Well, Maye Musk is successful the concern of being Maye Musk. She's known arsenic a silver-haired influencer successful China. In China successful particular, she's got a batch of merchandise endorsement ties. Makeup, massagers, clothing. She does a batch of speaking engagements. I deliberation successful bid to truly nether her beingness there, we should instrumentality a look astatine this advertisement that ran sometime successful 2024. She's tied to a marque called Babycare.

[Archival audio]: (Singing) I look up and deliberation astir the new.

Lauren Goode: The remainder of the advertisement is successful Mandarin, but determination are English subtitles.

[Archival audio]: (Ad playing successful Mandarin)

Lauren Goode: She's asking, "How bash you rise palmy kids?" It's Maye, conscionable cruising done the streets, looking arsenic elegant arsenic ever. With beauteous scenery of children playing successful the thoroughfare and everything.

Zoë Schiffer: Wow.

Lauren Goode: There's a small miss dancing. It's precise cute.

Zoë Schiffer: Wait, I emotion this ad.

Michael Calore: The messaging present is that you shouldn't archer kids to beryllium quiet, and beryllium down and bash what they're told. You should archer them to beryllium loud. You should archer them to get up and run. You should archer them to disobey authority. To beryllium themselves.

Zoë Schiffer: Let kids turn up free.

Lauren Goode: Free-range kids.

Zoë Schiffer: Don't obey the rules.

[Archival audio]: (Ad playing successful Mandarin)

Lauren Goode: What's absorbing astir this too, is that successful Issacson's biography of Musk, helium writes astir however Maye herself grew up wherever her parents took a batch of risks. They are free-range children. It is successful their household DNA successful a sense, to person these risk-taking, courageous kids.

Zoë Schiffer: Not to marque this each astir my kids always, but I thin to rise precise escaped kids, fto them bash what they privation wrong the bounds of reason. The effect is that my three-year-old hasn't washed her hairsbreadth successful 4 weeks. I don't cognize if I'm benefiting successful the mode that Maye Musk seems to judge is possible.

Michael Calore: If you're watching Chinese television, you'll spot this ad. You'll person precise lukewarm and affection feelings toward Maye Musk and her celebrated children. Joking aside, she is an influential idiosyncratic successful China. Why does that power interest some?

Zoë Schiffer: We're conscionable astatine a precise absorbing infinitesimal with diplomatic relations with China. We're successful a Cold War, immoderate person called it, related to AI and it raises a fig of concerns. For example, overseas governments could conceivably usage Maye Musk arsenic a mode to effort to get adjacent to Elon, and thereby Trump, astir to exert power connected the existent administration. That's conscionable thing to wage attraction to. There's fears that her telephone could beryllium hacked portion she is there.

Michael Calore: Oh.

Zoë Schiffer: She was riding connected Air Force One recently. While these are purely theoretical, the stakes are beauteous high. There's interest that overseas governments could effort and curry favour with her by asking her to exemplary oregon beryllium marque ambassadors for assorted companies. There's, again, nary grounds that this has happened with her existent relationships with brands overseas, but thing to wage attraction to. They could retaliate if the US authorities does thing they don't like, by pulling her books of shelves oregon canceling contracts. Then there's this much far-fetched, but precise problematic issue, which is successful a worse lawsuit script wherever China was retaliating against the US for thing that the US oregon Trump did, if Maye Musk was successful China during that time, could they physically clasp her there? China is known for going tit-for-tat. If a overseas authorities does thing that China doesn't like, China volition retaliate successful kind. We person Marco Rubio successful the administration. He is simply a superior China hawk. I deliberation the fearfulness is that the Trump Administration would bash thing that China doesn't similar and that Maye Musk could beryllium successful the mediate of this nationalist information fiasco.

Lauren Goode: Right. It's not wide however overmuch wealth she's really making from this unthinkable power that she has successful China. Nor does anyone deliberation that she's getting wealth from the Chinese authorities directly, oregon thing similar that.

Zoë Schiffer: No.

Lauren Goode: We cognize that she's been to China astatine slightest 4 times successful precocious 2024, the New York Times did study that. She's promoting her constitution products. Presumably, she's inactive promoting her publication oregon utilizing that arsenic leverage for her brand, and that benignant of thing. It's much astir that influence. In particular, erstwhile you deliberation astir Elon's business. China is simply a immense marketplace for Tesla vehicles. Tesla's largest accumulation origin is successful Shanghai. Tesla besides built a ample artillery mill past period successful Shanghai. Last year, Tesla's China income deed a grounds high. Nearly 37% of its cars were delivered to customers successful China. That's much than 657,000 Tesla vehicles. Elon has precise vested involvement successful the Chinese market, and I deliberation radical are looking astatine immoderate of his mother's activities there, and looking astatine the value of his concern there, and conscionable wondering if there's a enactment to beryllium drawn betwixt the 2 of them. When Maye was successful China past fall, she wrote connected X, "China is truthful precocious successful roads, tunnels, buildings, infrastructure, and ports. I'm ever impressed erstwhile I visit." Sure, you could beryllium idiosyncratic connected abrogation who's just, "Wow! I'm marveling astatine this caller spot that I'm in," right?

Michael Calore: Weird flex, but okay.

Lauren Goode: There besides could beryllium a batch of subtext there.

Michael Calore: Yeah.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah. I think, Lauren, your constituent brings up the larger issue, which is conscionable we don't know, but determination are possibilities of undue influence. I deliberation the information that it's not known and there's not a batch of controls successful place. Normally, if idiosyncratic who is adjacent to an advisor of the president was traveling overseas, determination would person been checks connected their background, determination would beryllium investigations. It doesn't look that those things person really happened. There was a batch of information protocols that weren't followed. I deliberation there's just, again, the anticipation that thing much nefarious could hap successful the future.

Michael Calore: Elon Musk has been capable to sidestep a batch of the requirements for information clearance, simply due to the fact that he's ever taken connected an advisory relation successful the US government, oregon arsenic a contractor for the national government. We would presume that his parent is not adjacent anyplace connected that representation arsenic well.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah.

Michael Calore: As acold arsenic getting a batch of scrutiny from information clearance people.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah. We don't person immoderate grounds that she's been done that process. Judging by however the DOGE employees went astir entering government, which successful galore cases, they were up and moving successful authorities systems earlier having received information clearances, yeah, I deliberation there's crushed to beryllium fishy that she was enactment nether that microscope for that process.

Michael Calore: When countries invitation celebrities, radical who person immoderate benignant of power connected the satellite stage, to travel sojourn their state and bent out, and they vino them and dine them, determination is immoderate brushed diplomacy happening. "We are going to invitation you here, you're going to person a large time. You're going to spell backmost home, you're going to archer everybody astir however large of a clip you had, however welcoming the radical were. Wouldn't it beryllium large if we were a small spot nicer to them?" We tin spot that being implied successful a batch of the places that she's traveling, similar China. She went to Kazakhstan precocious to beforehand her book. Maye Musk has besides gone to the UAE to talk and to marque appearances there. You tin see, if you're inviting a Maye Musk into your world, determination are implications astir wanting to scope out, wanting to person a amended narration with the United States, right?

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah, for sure. She's not an ambassador successful the authoritative sense, but she's playing an influential relation nevertheless successful the United States' narration with these overseas governments, conscionable by simply going determination and posting astir it connected societal media.

Lauren Goode: Totally. Yeah. In January, conscionable earlier the inauguration, she did spell to Dubai and she gave a talk. It was called How I Raised Three Amazing Children, Including the Richest Man successful the World.

Michael Calore: Oh.

Lauren Goode: What an unthinkable flex.

Michael Calore: Wow.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah.

Michael Calore: I was conscionable going to say, I would person loved to person seen that talk.

Zoë Schiffer: Unironic same.

Michael Calore: Can we archer wherever Maye Musk is conscionable being a supportive ma and spreading the gospel of Elon, and tin we archer wherever she mightiness beryllium doing a small spot much than that?

Lauren Goode: I thin to spot Maye arsenic a small spot of a Kris Jenner.

Michael Calore: Ah.

Lauren Goode: Her children are precise famous, and she's intelligibly precise supportive of their careers, and volition support them to the ends of the Earth. But also, she's an relation to the constituent wherever she has go her ain truly almighty and influential brand. There are astir apt a batch of ties down the scenes that we don't person afloat entree to. I deliberation what everyone's going to beryllium watching truly intimately is to spot however those ties with China make oregon evolve, and if there's immoderate anticipation that they could beryllium exploited.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah. I would conscionable adhd to that, that arsenic her power has grown, she's utilizing that power to effort and sphere Elon's reputation, to effort and beforehand his business. Again, a Kris Jenner profile. She's not conscionable doing that arsenic a mom, she's besides doing that arsenic idiosyncratic who's precise invested successful his tangible occurrence it seems like.

Michael Calore: Well, somebody's got to look retired for him.

Zoë Schiffer: So true.

Michael Calore: Somebody truly needs to measurement up and marque definite that helium remains a palmy person.

Zoë Schiffer: Right.

Lauren Goode: I deliberation that if Maye Musk ever shows up successful the Oval Office and starts answering questions from reporters, past we'll person reached a caller tipping point.

Michael Calore: Do you deliberation she'd beryllium connected his shoulders?

Zoë Schiffer: That would beryllium truly difficult. She looks truly tall.

Michael Calore: All right. Well, let's instrumentality different interruption and we'll travel close back. Welcome backmost to Uncanny Valley. It's been a portion since we person done an Overheard successful Silicon Valley, truthful we're going to play that crippled this week. We're going to crockery immoderate buzz, and I lone privation bully answers. Who wants to spell first? Zoë, Lauren?

Zoë Schiffer: Wait. I consciousness similar you mightiness person the champion tea. You were astatine South by Southwest.

Lauren Goode: Yeah.

Zoë Schiffer: You indispensable person overheard the craziest things.

Michael Calore: Well, it's not needfully a brainsick overheard, but determination were Waymos astatine South by Southwest this week.

Zoë Schiffer: Wait. Is Waymo moving there?

Michael Calore: It is now, done the Uber app.

Zoë Schiffer: Oh.

Michael Calore: They partnered with Uber.

Lauren Goode: Interesting.

Michael Calore: When you're astatine South by Southwest for circumstantial parts of Austin, you tin petition a Waymo done the Uber app. I did not bash this due to the fact that I needed to get wherever I was going successful a speedy mode and the hold clip for a Waymo was astir 20, 25 minutes.

Zoë Schiffer: Oh, wow.

Michael Calore: I conscionable chose regular Ubers portion I was there. But the institution was offering rides, regularly priced rides, conscionable similar the Waymos are priced successful different places wherever they run done the Uber app. It was benignant of interesting, benignant of weird. I quizzed radical astir them each week erstwhile I was there, and radical loved it. There were radical evidently from each implicit the satellite there. Everybody was, "Oh, it was truthful casual and it was truthful nice. I was frightened and I didn't cognize what to do, and the acquisition was truly helpful. They clasp your hands," and each this. Then the different question that I would inquire radical from Austin is if they were alert that the Tesla Robotaxi work is expected to beryllium launching successful Austin successful June. Because past year, Elon Musk showed disconnected the caller Tesla Robotaxi. He said that, arsenic portion of this car's release, they're going to beryllium launching a robotaxi work for Tesla cars.

Zoë Schiffer: Full self-driving, similar Waymo-esque?

Michael Calore: Yes. Not lone volition you beryllium capable to bid a robotaxi to amusement up, a Tesla-branded robotaxi to amusement up, but you'll beryllium capable to, if you're a Tesla owner, enactment your Tesla into a excavation truthful that your Tesla tin thrust astir and connection radical robotaxi rides portion you're astatine the office, oregon sleeping, oregon whatever.

Lauren Goode: Passive income.

Michael Calore: Right. He has said aggregate times that this is going to beryllium launching successful Austin, Texas successful June. We're each like, "Okay." I was asking radical successful Austin, "Have you heard of this?" And cipher had heard of it.

Lauren Goode: Huh.

Zoë Schiffer: Well, helium famously over-promises connected the transportation day of definite things.

Michael Calore: Yes.

Zoë Schiffer: I consciousness similar that's just to say.

Michael Calore: Yes. I deliberation it volition beryllium a tiny occurrence if determination is 1 robotaxi thrust successful Austin astatine the very, precise extremity of June this year.

Lauren Goode: Wait. Can I stock an overheard that is related to your acquisition astatine South by Southwest, Mike?

Michael Calore: Yes.

Lauren Goode: Someone who we enactment with sent maine a video and said, "Check retired Mike." It was you getting into a babe bluish Cybertruck.

Michael Calore: Yes.

Lauren Goode: What was happening here?

Michael Calore: We called a Lyft, and the Lyft that showed up was a Cybertruck. When it rolled up, the feline had a wrapper connected it, it was babe blue.

Zoë Schiffer: Wow. That is simply a shocking crook of events.

Lauren Goode: You didn't cognize a Cybertruck was showing up?

Michael Calore: No. No, we did not know.

Lauren Goode: Oh my God, incredible.

Michael Calore: Yeah, it was shocking. It was precise shocking. I was like, "Well, we're getting successful it," truthful we got successful it. We asked him astir it. He was a small chatty and helium told america wherefore helium bought it. He drove it retired from San Diego to Austin. I asked him if anybody had vandalized his car oregon defaced it and helium said, "Yes, idiosyncratic drew a swastika connected it and wrote Nazi." Then helium wiped it disconnected due to the fact that of his babe bluish wrapper makes it truthful that you tin conscionable hitch disconnected vandalism.

Zoë Schiffer: Wow.

Lauren Goode: Did that alteration the mode helium was feeling astir his Cybertruck?

Michael Calore: I don't deliberation so. I deliberation he's inactive arrogant of it and inactive likes it.

Zoë Schiffer: Yeah, I consciousness similar you double-down if you're a Cybertruck owner. We had a caller incidental earlier this week successful Ventura, wherever a Cybertruck, I deliberation the proprietor was attempting to motorboat a pitchy skis and the Cybertruck ended up successful the water.

Michael Calore: Oh, no.

Zoë Schiffer: It was being towed retired of the ocean.

Lauren Goode: Oh, no!

Michael Calore: Oh, no.

Zoë Schiffer: In footage that was circulating connected societal media.

Lauren Goode: When you accidental that, Zoë, astir the Tesla being successful the h2o and being towed out, I'm reasoning of those duck boats successful the Boston Harbor. Do you cognize what I'm talking about, Mike?

Michael Calore: Did it float?

Lauren Goode: Did it?

Zoë Schiffer: It did not float. But we did conscionable get a truly aged children's publication astir the duck boats successful Boston.

Lauren Goode: Oh.

Zoë Schiffer: Okay, Lauren, what's your overheard?

Lauren Goode: Well, I was going to speech astir vibe coding successful Silicon Valley, but present I consciousness similar I privation to support accordant with your theme.

Michael Calore: Oh, yes.

Lauren Goode: Which is there's this small cottage manufacture popping up connected Etsy, I noticed. If you benignant successful conscionable Rivian sticker, determination are much than 1000 results that travel up. It's fundamentally the sticker for radical who person a Tesla but privation they had a Rivian close now.

Zoë Schiffer: Oh my gosh.

Michael Calore: Oh, boy.

Lauren Goode: A mates episodes ago, we talked astir each of Elon's babies. Now we're talking astir the pistillate who had Elon arsenic a baby. We talked astir however the presumption awesome is present having 3 kids and a Rivian. Now we're talking astir Rivians again. Honestly, I deliberation we're conscionable surviving successful a simulation.

Zoë Schiffer: Okay, Elon.

Lauren Goode: Right? I would beryllium blessed to speech to much radical astir the simulation. Some of the stickers say, "Only driving this until I get my Rivian. I place arsenic a Rivian. The Anti-Elon Tesla Club," that's a car magnet. "This Tesla does not endorse Musk." There's a, "Love the car, not the CEO." Yeah. If you're looking for a sticker that's pro-Rivian oregon anti-Tesla, determination are a batch of options retired determination close now.

Zoë Schiffer: Etsy has your back.

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