Kathryn Hahn is 'champing at the bit' to play Agatha Harkness again

In the latest occurrence of The Envelope video podcast, Kathryn Hahn explains however she brought her interior “class clown” to “Agatha All Along” and “The Studio,” and Amy Sherman-Palladino and Dan Palladino sermon the making of their transatlantic creation drama “Étoile.”

Kelvin Washington: What’s up, everyone? Welcome to different occurrence of The Envelope, Kelvin Washington present alongside my crew. You person Yvonne Villarreal and Mark Olsen, arsenic usual. So this week, we’re starting with you. Kathryn Hahn, Mark, archer america a small spot astir it.

Mark Olsen: I deliberation phrases similar “national treasure” and “protect astatine each costs” benignant of get overused, but they decidedly use with Kathryn Hahn. And she’s presently benignant of vying for designation successful some “Agatha All Along,” a benignant of unconventional Marvel communicative astir a coven of witches, and besides “The Studio,” wherever she plays a Hollywood selling executive. Both of these roles truly seizure what she does truthful well, which is she plays these characters that, connected the 1 hand, are precise utmost and ridiculous. But she besides finds an affectional halfway to them that makes you consciousness for them successful ways that are conscionable unexpected. I’ve interviewed her a fig of times for immoderate of the autarkic films she’s done implicit the years, and she remains conscionable a existent delight to speech to.

Yvonne Villarreal: Because she’s mother. That’s why.

Washington: But that’s a existent thing. M-U-V-A too. MUVA. Don’t get it twisted. I plaything to you, Yvonne. You had Amy Sherman-Palladino, besides Dan Palladino. How’d that go?

Villarreal: They’re the joined collaborators down immoderate of our favourite TV series, and their latest is for Prime Video, and it’s called “Étoile.” It follows 2 creation companies, 1 successful New York and 1 successful Paris, and they determine to swap endowment arsenic a mode to drum up publicity and benignant of assistance dragging sales, bring much attraction to the creation form. Amy has a inheritance successful dance, and it has been a thread successful immoderate of her past bid — determination was Miss Patty’s successful “Gilmore Girls,” and successful “Bunheads,” creation was benignant of the mounting of that series. So it was amusive to spot them benignant of dive into it much afloat with this series.

Washington: You’re up connected each the creation routines. I mean, you got thing for us?

Villarreal: Mark and I person a TikTok creation planned later. Maybe you tin join.

Washington: The champion portion is, Mark looked surprised.

Olsen: Am I Mother of Dance?

Washington: MUVA of Dance.

Villarreal: We’re gonna get connected our tippy toes.

Washington: All right, well, without further ado, Mother of Dance Mark and Kathryn Hahn.

Kathryn Hahn successful “Agatha All Along.”

(Chuck Zlotnick / Marvel)

Mark Olsen: Were you amazed with however the quality of Agatha became this instrumentality favourite erstwhile “WandaVision” was on? Were you amazed by the mode the quality truly took off?

Kathryn Hahn: I had ne'er heard of Agatha Harkness. It’s not similar I bash adjacent reads connected Marvel comics, but adjacent the die-hard comic fans that I cognize had ne'er heard of Agatha Harkness. She’s truthful tucked away, truthful heavy successful the canon of Marvel. So I conscionable heard “witch,” and I was like, “Yes,” basically. I was like, “I americium a witch, I would emotion to play a witch.”

Olsen: Even the opus “Agatha All Along,” and past with the caller series, “The Ballad of the Witches’ Road” — “Agatha” was nominated for a Grammy. “Witches’ Road” has been connected the charts. What has that been like?

Hahn: I did not deliberation I was going to beryllium connected immoderate of those charts successful immoderate of my life. Like what? On apical of everything else, to conscionable perceive “Grammy” was truthful crazy. But [songwriters Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez] are nary joke, they’re incredible. And that they pulled it disconnected doubly with these shows is truthful bonzer to me. Because, of course, the barroom indispensable person been precise precocious aft “WandaVision,” and they conscionable exceeded it.

Olsen: With “Agatha,” there’s tarot decks, a Ouija board, evidently a batch of spells. Are you into that benignant of thing? Are you benignant of California woo-woo astatine all?

Like Ohio woo-woo — propulsion a cornfield in. This amusement truly turned maine connected to it, of course, but I’ve ever been a small like, “I don’t caput a crystal around. I don’t caput having my cards read.” I mean, honestly, I’d astir apt articulation a cult successful 2 seconds due to the fact that I’m truthful susceptible. I truly emotion anybody that has a heavy passion. So erstwhile I’m with idiosyncratic that’s truly invested and committed to runes oregon tarot, I americium hook, enactment and sinker in.

Olsen: I similar truthful overmuch connected the amusement that determination are these antithetic eras of witchiness. Was that fun? You would person these antithetic costumes and benignant of antithetic ways of being.

Hahn: Yes. I mean, connected some shows, I didn’t cognize precisely what the throughline was going to be. I knew determination was going to beryllium immoderate benignant of trope oregon genre that we’d beryllium playing with, but I didn’t cognize what it was, and truthful erstwhile I saw that it was opening with her successful a prestige transgression drama, it was precise unexpected and really, truly exciting. [Showrunner] Jac [Schaeffer] and I played that truthful dormant seriously. It was precise hard to support a consecutive look due to the fact that we conscionable played it arsenic earnestly arsenic we could, and we’re like, “Should we marque a procedural transgression show? I deliberation we mightiness person to.” Like a execution mystery, similar our ain “Broadchurch.”

Olsen: I would ticker that.

Hahn: That would beryllium truthful fun.

Olsen: Coming disconnected of “WandaVision,” was it amusive arsenic you were getting the scripts for “Agatha All Along?” Like, “What is the satellite going to beryllium this time?”

Hahn: I didn’t cognize astir this until aft “WandaVision” was retired and had been broadcast. So I had nary thought what “Agatha” was going to look similar erstwhile I said yes to it, but I knew it was Jac Schaeffer, our writer. And I knew it was Mary Livanos, our astonishing producer. They gave maine benignant of a template thought of what the play was. And then, arsenic I started to get the scripts it was, it conscionable felt similar this funnel that conscionable kept getting deeper and deeper and deeper, concentric layers that conscionable got to this pit astatine the bottommost of her successful the past episode, which was truly heavy — unexpectedly heavier than I thought it was going to beryllium — and really, truly rich. Still hilarious. That was important to us, is that she’d inactive beryllium comic oregon person that consciousness of humor, similar that’s her masochistic side. But besides that determination was immoderate vulnerability that you could spot for a 2nd was truly unexpected.

Olsen: Tell maine much astir that, due to the fact that I consciousness similar you bring a precise peculiar acceptable of skills to this character, successful that you tin bash thing that’s much campy and satiric, and past displacement close into thing that feels truly earnest and dramatic, sometimes adjacent the aforesaid scene. Did you cognize that was a portion of it going into it?

Hahn: [Schaeffer’s] penning requires a definite dexterity. I deliberation of genre-flipping, and besides you conscionable benignant of play the play successful beforehand of you. So it’s benignant of that was what was required successful immoderate of those scenes. And that’s my favourite spot to beryllium arsenic an actor, that it’s not 1 happening oregon the other, it’s each successful determination astatine the aforesaid time. And past she did constitute these brainsick amusive switches that were, I wouldn’t accidental difficult, but they were conscionable precise — it was amusive to find. It was amusive to find code successful this too, due to the fact that it could person gone truthful large oregon truthful heavy, truthful that was a existent absorbing creation to effort to find that, and again, I conscionable loved Jac’s penning truthful overmuch that everything you truly needed was close there.

Olsen: In particular, you and Aubrey Plaza consciousness some precise good suited to this. And the 2 of you unneurotic are conscionable truly fantastic.

Hahn: I deliberation she’s 1 of my astir favourite actors. I emotion moving with her truthful much, and she is bonzer successful this part. And so, again, determination was not overmuch overdiscussion. It was benignant of similar showing up and seeing what each different brought to the table. And determination was this unspoken spot that it would conscionable crackle, which it did. Like we benignant of truly did beryllium successful our corners a small bit; we didn’t speech astir it much. I knew she was going to bash her homework. I did my homework. And then, by the clip we showed up, it was just, like, you could archer determination was this vigor betwixt us. We didn’t cognize what it would pb to necessarily. Like, we knew that it was fraught and decades, centuries old. And we knew that determination were a batch of breakups and getting backmost together. It’s precise toxic. So by the clip the country started, it conscionable felt precise coiled and amusive to conscionable spell for it.

Olsen: Have you had a batch of acquisition with the harness-and-green-screen aspects of this? Especially the scenes of you and Aubrey, they are, arsenic you said, precise affectional and intense, but you guys are besides flying astir the room.

Hahn: We person astonishing stunt doubles. My stunt treble is Whitney, who’s with maine each the mode from “WandaVision.” We some truly relied heavy connected ours, conscionable due to the fact that we didn’t privation to dilatory thing down by, like, for example, my not being capable to bash immoderate of these stunts. Thank God that we had radical that truly understood from the wrong retired who we were, truthful it didn’t conscionable consciousness robotic. It truly does consciousness seamless. And I deliberation that besides helped with keeping the affectional happening the astir important, that it didn’t consciousness similar we were wholly trapped successful our heads trying to marque definite that we weren’t going to flip connected the incorrect beat. But I bash emotion a harness, I’m not gonna lie. I emotion a harness. Like, alert maine anytime.

Olsen: Do you person to get utilized to it?

Hahn: The hoisting is absorbing the archetypal clip you bash it. Gotta like, “Oh,” readjust to that feeling.

Olsen: I’ve heard you speech successful the past astir however erstwhile you began successful your career, you truly saw yourself arsenic a melodramatic actress, and truthful your drama vocation was benignant of a astonishment to you. What has it been similar now, adding fantasy/adventure to that?

Hahn: That’s wherever my bosom was, similar a superior theatre actor. And I conjecture I should person known. I was ever the people clown. I was ever the 1 screwing astir successful rehearsals. So I should’ve known that she was successful determination somewhere. This was a genre I did not expect anyplace successful my life. But the information that I was capable to participate it successful this peculiar small country with “WandaVision,” and present “Agatha,” was similar a imagination due to the fact that I felt similar we truly were the small forgotten stepkids that could conscionable play successful our ain sandbox. I conscionable felt similar each hands were off, and we kept saying, “I can’t judge we’re getting distant with this.”

Olsen: Did you person to marque a illustration for yourself to recognize the Marvel connectivity and who sits wherever successful which storyline?

Hahn: They springiness you a binder that has wherever your character’s shown up successful the past of the Marvel comics. So I benignant of could spot wherever Agatha had touched. And she’s the villain, she’s a mentor. She’s each these antithetic things that I decidedly could play with, with “WandaVision” for sure. And past you spot each the [Marvel] movies, which are truly fun. But this besides benignant of exists connected its own. There’s immoderate mythology, the Wiccan for definite and Scarlet Witch, of course, but “Agatha” was benignant of this recovered coven that we were capable to enactment together. A batch of the characters person antithetic trajectories going forward, but this felt similar its ain bird.

Olsen: It’s my knowing that the quality of Agatha, she tin benignant of popular up anyplace wrong those different storylines. So are you ready?

Hahn: I’m truthful ready. I americium champing astatine the bit.

Olsen: You’ve been successful fashionable worldly before, but Marvel fashionable seems similar a full antithetic thing. What has that portion of it been like, encountering the fandom and everything astir it?

Hahn: It was a change. [With] “WandaVision,” I didn’t consciousness immoderate displacement due to the fact that it was [the] pandemic, I think, and it was masks each the time, and I wasn’t connected immoderate societal media. And I’m conscionable [dipping] my toed into it this clip around, and I’m walking around, it’s fine. It’s lone erstwhile there’s a instrumentality concern happening that you amusement up for that you recognize the scope that this amusement and these characters person had, and it’s precise moving to me. They’re truly sweet, saccharine humans that find transportation with this amusement successful particular, truthful I couldn’t beryllium much flattered by it.

Olsen: And I’ve heard you speech astir however “Agatha All Along,” successful particular, has developed a young queer instrumentality base. What has that meant to you?

Hahn: So overmuch of this amusement is about, successful the superhero realm, the humans that don’t get seen oregon don’t consciousness similar they tin beryllium their full selves oregon bring their full aforesaid to the table. And there’s thing astir a coven. All ages. You tin speak, beryllium wholly yourself and beryllium celebrated for it. You could rise your voice. Don’t mean men. But determination is thing precise almighty astir that corporate also. And the corporate tone being the happening that tin transportation you and assistance you up confidence-wise. So the information that it has recovered this audience, it’s precise tender to me, because, particularly for young women and young queer people, it seems similar a precise harmless space. That conscionable makes maine truthful happy.

Olsen: What benignant of encounters person you had with fans?

Hahn: There tin beryllium immoderate that are precise emotional, truthful it’s truly dear, and I privation to prosecute with everybody due to the fact that I’m truthful blessed they showed up. It sounds truthful sad, but I am. It’s truly big, you know. It takes a lot. For idiosyncratic to person that concern successful a quality that you person played, that you benignant of represent, is truly caller for me. Agatha’s similar this avatar. I conjecture everyone could accidental that successful the Marvel universe, oregon galore different universes.

Olsen: Because you person had immoderate different pb roles successful the past, but you mostly person played supporting parts and been portion of ensembles, what has it felt similar to be, particularly connected the series, successful that pb relation connected a task that feels this big?

Hahn: Yes, you’re right, due to the fact that I’ve had pb roles connected benignant of tinier shows, wherever possibly the assemblage is not arsenic wide. This, due to the fact that it’s Jac, due to the fact that of the quality of what it was, it truly had to consciousness similar an ensemble. You could not beryllium successful a one-man set connected that set. We were each determination each the time. We ne'er went backmost to our trailers. You had Patti LuPone, which is the greatest. There was nary country to get successful your caput astir that benignant of stuff. What we had to bash was truthful daunting, the magnitude of enactment we had to decorativeness successful the clip that we had, and the ambition of it and the scope of it, that erstwhile we rolled up our sleeves and took that archetypal measurement onto the roadworthy together, it was conscionable a bid that took disconnected till the end, basically.

Olsen: Are you getting recognized successful nationalist more? Do you consciousness similar it’s changed your fame situation?

Hahn: Yeah, I deliberation it has. There is decidedly a change, but not similar thing that doesn’t consciousness benignant and manageable.

Olsen: Because I’ve heard you speech successful immoderate different interviews benignant of astir however you consciousness astir wherever you are astatine close now. Are you blessed that this is happening to you astatine the property you are, the spot successful your vocation that you are? What does it mean to you that it’s happening to you now?

Hahn: Well, due to the fact that I don’t person immoderate acquisition of it happening to maine astatine immoderate different clip oregon age, close present it’s perfect. It’s precisely arsenic it was expected to be. So close present is ideal. The full happening is simply a real, like, “What?” I bash consciousness similar Chauncey Gardiner successful “Being There” sometimes. Like I conscionable showed up, like, what’s happening? I don’t cognize if you cognize that movie.

Olsen: Sure, of course.

Hahn: But it does person a small of that consciousness of it, similar I’ve conscionable recovered myself successful this situation, successful this part, successful this world, successful this universe, and again, it couldn’t beryllium cooler. I support going backmost to the witch. I emotion a witch, and I couldn’t beryllium prouder to beryllium playing one.

Olsen: Patti LuPone has said that she has been told there’s going to beryllium nary Season 2.

Hahn: Yes.

Olsen: But past Jac Schaeffer, immoderate Marvel executives, they’ve been a small much circumspect astir it. Do you cognize if there’s going to beryllium different play of “Agatha”?

Hahn: Well, I surely heard what Patti had heard, but I besides cognize that, who knows, you cognize what I mean? I don’t know, and things tin determination precise accelerated implicit determination oregon dilatory implicit there, truthful each we know, and I know, is to conscionable observe that unthinkable tv that we were capable to beryllium a portion of. And past who knows? I mean, I would emotion to.

Olsen: You’d beryllium up for more.

Hahn: [deadpan] No. Yes! Yes. I emotion this witch.

Olsen: Tell maine much astir moving with Patti LuPone, due to the fact that it’s my content that everyone that benignant of comes into her orbit, someway everybody abruptly is revolving astir Patti. She has a precise circumstantial energy. And I’m conscionable funny what it’s similar to brushwood her and enactment with her.

Hahn: She is conscionable specified a theatre bird, rolling her sleeves up, getting down and dirty, putting her costumes back. Like, her morals arsenic an histrion and a performer are conscionable — you privation each young histrion to beryllium astir that. I ever tin archer a theatre actor, and I cognize she tin too. Like, determination is conscionable a antithetic respect that a theatre histrion has for their situation and their props and their clothes. And also, conscionable having the affectional quality that she has to benignant of cognize precisely wherever to creation and laughter and gag around, and past erstwhile to benignant of marque the country country a small spot much ineffable and quiet. And she besides doesn’t instrumentality it excessively seriously, and she’s conscionable truthful good, and she, again, is simply a pleasance to beryllium around. She puts everybody truthful astatine easiness that it really created adjacent deeper bonding, I think, successful this cast. And past conscionable to get unneurotic and worship her indispensable consciousness good.

Olsen: Well, it indispensable beryllium amusive for you to, like, beryllium astir idiosyncratic that you consciousness you tin inactive larn from.

Hahn: Well, there’s truthful galore radical I consciousness similar I can, still. I person truthful overmuch to learn. I consciousness everybody I enactment with, I’m learning something. But I cognize for sure, due to the fact that of the vocation that this pistillate has had, astatine specified a prime of trade that is truthful uncommon to truly see, that’s thing that felt precise wondrous astir gathering her. Because I went to acting school, I started successful the theater, a batch of humans have, and determination is thing that is antithetic astir a theatre bird. You conscionable cognize it.

Olsen: And what bash you deliberation that is?

Hahn: I deliberation it’s a bid of oneself, similar an authorship of oneself and autonomy. There’s respect for the script. When you’re connected the stage, the curtain goes up and past it comes down, and betwixt that, betwixt those 2 moments, it’s yours. So I consciousness similar there’s somewhat of a — I tin ever archer determination is simply a assurance that comes with knowing your path, knowing what you want, knowing what you’re looking for successful the country that feels truthful specific. And similar Patti, who owns the stage, due to the fact that you spot her onstage, you cognize that everything’s good. You consciousness similar you’re successful precise bully hands. And I decidedly consciousness connected jobs, similar you tin beryllium like, “OK, I’m successful this person’s hands. I’ll beryllium taken attraction of.”

Olsen: When was the past clip you did thing connected the stage?

Hahn: Oh, it’s been truthful long, Mark. I did “Boeing-Boeing,” which is this farce that was, like, 2008, maybe? But it was a dream. It was my 1 and lone clip connected Broadway. Mark Rylance was incredible. Bradley Whitford, Gina Gershon, [Christine] Baranski, Mary McCormack. Matthew Warchus directed it.

Olsen: [Are] you going to spell back?

Hahn: I cannot hold to. It’s not the champion occupation for a ma erstwhile you’re retired of town, due to the fact that you lone person 1 nighttime off. But present that my kids are getting older, I’m precise excited to instrumentality to the boards.

Olsen: And has that changed a batch for you? Just the practicalities of your location life, your kids, what you consciousness similar you tin and can’t do. Is that benignant of, I don’t privation to accidental opening backmost up for you, but arsenic they get older, is that changing for you?

Hahn: I’ve been reasoning a batch astir this due to the fact that I person a kid astir to spell to college. I person said before, this chunk of my vocation didn’t hap until aft I had kids, weirdly. Like this section wherever I was moving with these unthinkable women filmmakers and doing these truly crunchy, juicy, analyzable women parts. Unfortunately, humanity-wise, a woman’s childbearing and young motherhood [years] is besides their astir earning clip arsenic a human. That push-pull for maine was truly difficult, of being astatine location and not being astatine location and having the luxury of being capable to work. So it’s lone present that I’m starting to beryllium like, “Oof, it’s an aggravated occupation for a mom, for sure.” I mean, I’m truthful arrogant of each of it, but — and I’m surely not going to stalk them for the remainder of my beingness due to the fact that I miss them truthful much. I’m precise excited for them. But you look backmost and you’re like, “Wow, that section on with motherhood was beauteous beauteous and truly intense.”

Olsen: But it’ll beryllium absorbing to spot similar what benignant of parts you —

Hahn: A 100 percent. I person nary idea. I’m precise curious. I was besides talking astir this with a friend. It’s like, erstwhile does an histrion retire? That’s thing that ne'er truly occurred to me, that that would adjacent beryllium a choice. I was conscionable going to bash it forever. Which I would inactive emotion to do, but I’m excited to spot what the next, what these adjacent chapters are. So curious, I’m truthful open. Actor for hire, Mark.

Olsen: Well, it’s comic due to the fact that there’s truthful many, I cognize it’s different, but there’s truthful galore filmmakers present who are moving into their, like, 80s and 90s that I consciousness similar the playing tract has changed a small spot and radical tin benignant of support going longer. And you look astatine idiosyncratic similar Jane Fonda oregon Lily Tomlin.

Hahn: June Squibb, goddess. Absolutely. If it continues to be... arsenic you know, it’s not ever the case, but I consciousness similar this past section I’ve been capable to bash immoderate parts that I’ve truly been excited to beryllium capable to play. I anticipation that it continues and that I tin support aging alongside these absorbing filmmakers and storytellers that privation to archer those stories arsenic we age. There’s truthful much, truthful galore stories.

Hahn, center, with “The Studio” co-stars Ike Barinholtz, left, and Seth Rogen.

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Olsen: I privation to inquire you immoderate questions astir “The Studio” arsenic well. Your quality is the selling main of this movie studio, but she besides feels similar this precise circumstantial benignant of L.A. woman, wherever she’s benignant of ridiculously connected inclination and possibly trying a small excessively hard to beryllium of the moment. Did you basal her connected anybody specific?

Hahn: Not 1 idiosyncratic specifically. But similar you said, determination is decidedly a genre of human, not adjacent needfully successful this industry, that consciousness comfy successful the armor of labels and money. It’s not quiescent luxury. So I bash deliberation it’s a circumstantial idiosyncratic that takes a batch of joyousness successful that and it is simply a existent adrenaline unreserved to beryllium like, “Prada, Prada, Prada.”

Olsen: Did you parkland yourself successful beforehand of an Erewhon oregon thing and cheque radical out? Knowing that that’s what you’re going for, however bash you get yourself there?

Hahn: Well, [co-creators] Seth [Rogen] and Evan [Goldberg] wrote a peculiarly circumstantial character. And their astonishing costume decorator [Kameron Lennox], really, [during] my archetypal fitting, I was like, “Oh, I spot it.” Everything was truthful specific. She conscionable became technical, I think, done those fittings. In the wild, you conscionable prime up worldly on the mode that you conscionable benignant of feel, particularly with a quality similar her. You spot a lot. It besides feels similar there’s a small spot of tragedy, similar determination is simply a small panic of not being relevant, trying to beryllium connected inclination astatine each times, the paranoia that there’s a young, fresher idiosyncratic down you that’s going to instrumentality it, you’re this adjacent to your vocation being exploded astatine immoderate second. Not knowing the caller rules, determination ever is decidedly a full panic and paranoia each the time. Seems truly relaxing.

Are you a large researcher? I’m funny what benignant of mentation oregon what benignant of enactment you enactment successful earlier you’re shooting.

For Agatha, that was a deep, yearlong [process], similar I met with a witch each week. I did enactment with tarot and crystal. And with Maya, due to the fact that she’s truthful circumstantial connected the page, I truly didn’t person to bash overmuch too what was successful beforehand of me. I did retrieve that Seth and Evan had talked astir her being much of a foil, similar much of an antagonist, possibly little fashion-forward, and that it became much wide that it would beryllium funnier — much hilarious and besides much hopeless — if she had this benignant of ache to beryllium relevant. This acheronian bare spread with conscionable labels.

Olsen: I don’t mean this facetiously, but however bash you find your probe witch? How did you find the witch that you privation to speech to?

Hahn: This pistillate had been moving with Marvel and “Agatha,” and truthful she was benignant of sent my way, and past I kept moving with her, and she’s rad. To conscionable a modern, existent witch and conscionable — I get it. It’s beautiful. It’s similar being adjacent to the satellite and besides feeling portion of a coven, conscionable having your peeps astir you that assistance you up and marque you consciousness that you tin beryllium wholly yourself. It’s decidedly little woo-woo than I thought it was going to be.

Olsen: What bash you mean?

Hahn: It conscionable feels much grounded and real. I mean, I inactive can’t rather fig retired astrology. But present I person astonishing radical that cognize how. A batch of friends I tin telephone on.

Olsen: And past with “The Studio,” with those costumes, bash you get progressive astatine immoderate point?

Hahn: Yes. That’s the astir fun. Our costume designer, Kam, we would person the champion fitting sessions due to the fact that it was similar “more is more.” It was ne'er enough. We conscionable kept putting much and much on. I can’t retrieve if it was Coco Chanel that was like, “Put it each connected and instrumentality 1 happening disconnected earlier you leave.” And for Maya, it ever was like, “Put 2 much things connected earlier you go. Gild the lily.”

Olsen: On the show, your quality and Seth Rogen’s quality person this happening wherever they person benignant of a past and they support saying, “We’re not going to bash that anymore.” And there’s 1 infinitesimal successful 1 of the aboriginal episodes wherever you astir are kissing, and you benignant of flick your lingua astatine him. And it’s precise unusual but precise funny. Where does that travel from?

Hahn: I don’t know. We person to inquire a professional. I don’t understand. That storyline was not successful the script. It benignant of emerged arsenic we were doing it. It made america laughter truthful hard that determination was this weird past, we kept joking astir a lukewarm body, but there’s thing romanticist astir it all. And that conscionable kept making america laughter much and more.

Olsen: I conjecture for maine —

Hahn: Like, what is incorrect with you?

Olsen: No, trying to recognize similar the benignant of mechanics of improv. Do you get into benignant of a travel authorities oregon almost, like, automatic writing, wherever you’re not wholly alert of what you’re adjacent doing? Or bash you person immoderate things successful caput that possibly you could do? I’m conscionable wondering if you have, like, a container of tricks. Or if you’re like, “Whoa, wherever did that travel from?”

Hahn: I utilized to bash that. With “Anchorman” and stuff, I was truthful acrophobic of improvising. I would get successful my head. So my “improvising” would beryllium to person a database of alternates. Because it was besides benignant of backmost successful the time erstwhile radical did that, I guess, erstwhile Judd Apatow oregon [Adam] McKay would conscionable outcry retired ideas, oregon the camera would beryllium connected you and you could bash alts, they called it. But past sometimes I recovered that they were not that unrecorded oregon crackling due to the fact that I had already thought of thing cute the nighttime earlier oregon whatever. So I deliberation the travel authorities is truly important. Any improviser, I think, would accidental that. And it’s truly amusive erstwhile you get into that with an ensemble. That is the champion feeling. Something similar this, due to the fact that it’s a azygous instrumentality and you cognize erstwhile the camera is going to beryllium connected you for your joke, whatever, and past it moves to idiosyncratic else, you person a definite magnitude of time. So it becomes a small much mathematical. Because you don’t privation to screw up the choreography. After you’ve done it a while, past you benignant of tin spidey-sense however agelong the camera’s going to beryllium connected you. To effort thing successful that magnitude of clip earlier it, and that enactment that you tin archer volition enactment and not screw up the full instrumentality that’s based connected everything we’ve done — not conscionable a comic thought you’ve had. And truthful that became a truly amusive acting challenge, to beryllium capable to find those spaces if they were indispensable to gaffe thing other successful there.

Olsen: That’s absorbing to think, adjacent wrong these extended oners, which you would intuitively deliberation means there’s a batch of pressure, that there’s inactive immoderate country to determination wrong that.

Hahn: I’m telling you, that happens aft similar 20 takes. Or possibly you could gaffe thing in, but you surely don’t privation to beryllium the idiot that’s like, effort thing cute and past beryllium like, “Oh, hide it, hide it” and person the feline with the camera beryllium similar [sighs] and enactment it down, and everybody’s sweating profusely due to the fact that of your cute idea. So determination wasn’t a batch of abstraction for that. You had to beryllium truly assured with the remainder of the country and the travel and conscionable what was landing earlier you could, and sometimes adjacent conscionable person to inquire Seth and Evan if it would be.

Olsen: With making “The Studio” successful particular, did it bring up a batch of Hollywood memories arsenic acold as, like, awkward meetings, atrocious auditions, grant shows?

Hahn: It’s interesting, Mark, due to the fact that I’ve ever felt benignant of similar fundamentally just invited to the party, truthful I ever person felt similar the messy stepsister connected the extracurricular looking in. It’s ever felt like, “Ah, they’re the chill radical that got it figured retired and tin beryllium escaped with speech with everybody.” I couldn’t hold to get to acceptable and conscionable beryllium with the unit and the actors. That I was successful emotion with. I ne'er felt precise deft with the mechanics of being a Hollywood person. Hollywood person, Hollywood people. Maybe that’ll beryllium the sanction of my autobiography. The feelings of being sweaty, red-faced and benignant of awkward is precise acquainted to me. So possibly I drew connected that a small bit. I tin spot however an enforcement oregon someone, not adjacent idiosyncratic moving successful this business, would person to accidental thing bully to idiosyncratic to prevention face, and past each of a abrupt they’re successful this weird long-game prevarication due to the fact that past there’s truthful galore different radical progressive successful it, and it each comes from a good intention. But that benignant of worldly is truthful stressful to deliberation about, and I consciousness similar this amusement truly nails that feeling.

Olsen: Do you consciousness much comfy arsenic a Hollywood idiosyncratic now?

Hahn: I emotion this business. I emotion the radical that I get to enactment with. I enactment with immoderate beauteous decent, bully eggs. But it surely doesn’t marque maine consciousness similar I beryllium here. I’m inactive a kid successful Ohio that’s looking astatine a surface successful a acheronian theatre being like, “How bash they bash that?” But they ever look truthful immense and larger-than-life and confident, and I deliberation that’s possibly wherefore being capable to fig myself retired connected camera aft coming from the signifier has been truthful pleasurable.

The dancers of “Étoile.”

(Philippe Antonello/Prime Video)

Villarreal: Before we get into “Étoile,” we person to recognize the backstory of what led america here. Amy, I cognize your ma was a dancer. What bash you retrieve astir that acquisition that past led you to prosecute dancing?

Sherman-Palladino: Well, erstwhile you’re 4 and your parent tells you to spell to a creation class, you conscionable benignant of go. You get successful the car, and they dump you somewhere. Then you spell in, and there’s a batch of different small kids, and you’re each wearing tutus — that’s however they get you. Later you learn, “Oh, hold a minute. There’s much than conscionable the tutus involved.” But I trained each the mode up until I got my archetypal penning gig successful my 20s. I was expected to beryllium a dancer, past idiosyncratic paid maine to bash thing other — similar [gave me] a paycheck. And you’re like, “In the world, they tin springiness you wealth and you tin wage rent.” That’s erstwhile it each became precise wide that I was not meant to beryllium a dancer. But I’ve ever loved it. It’s ever stayed with me. My ma was a dancer, truthful it was conscionable benignant of a fixed that that would beryllium the path. I don’t retrieve immoderate lengthy discussions astir thing different than like, erstwhile I was successful my 20s, my dada turned to maine astatine meal erstwhile and said, “Did you privation to spell to college? ’Cause we would person sent you.” We virtually ne'er discussed it. It was simply not connected the table. And I’m like, “No, why?” Then I sent Rory to assemblage [in “Gilmore Girls”]. I had my assemblage acquisition done Rory, and I didn’t person to wage for it. It worked retired nicely. But it’s thing that stays with you. You ever privation to spell backmost and bash a barre. And each present and past I would spell back, and I would beryllium like, “I’m going to bash a barre.” I’d beryllium like, “I tin bash the full class.” Then I’d be, like, successful a infirmary for 2 weeks. Every fewer years that imagination would travel live and past beryllium crushed again.

Villarreal: What benignant were you studying?

Sherman-Palladino: Mostly classical ballet until I got into my teens. Then I added — I took a people from a pistillate named Karen Brown. Her classes were 3 hours long; you would bash an hr astatine the barre, an hr connected pointe and an hr connected the floor. She enactment a batch of modern creation into the classical ballet. And I loved that, but it was ridiculously brutal. I was like, “You definite you don’t hatred maine for immoderate reason? Like, this isn’t personal.” But she was an astonishing teacher. I did that for a agelong time. And tap; you person to larn tap. If you’re going to audition, they marque you larn tap, it’s conscionable the thing. Then erstwhile I started writing, I inactive went to people connected the weekends, conscionable retired of habit. One day, I retrieve sitting successful that writers’ country going, “I ne'er person to enactment connected pointe shoes again.” It was similar a revelation. It had ne'er occurred to maine before.

Villarreal: Did you consciousness an aliveness successful dancing that you don’t consciousness successful writing, or?

Palladino: She’s been dormant ever since.

Sherman-Palladino: Yes, I’ve been dormant inside. It’s conscionable precise antithetic due to the fact that it’s thing that is precise carnal and it’s precise internal. You truly get to cognize your body. And the different is cerebral. Had I paid much attraction successful school, possibly my grammar would beryllium a batch amended due to the fact that my spelling, I suck astatine that. He tin attest to my unspeakable existent carnal penning skills.

Palladino: No commas. You enactment successful nary commas.

Sherman-Palladino: I don’t person the clip for commas.

Villarreal: How astir dashes?

Palladino: No, precise small punctuation.

Sherman-Palladino: Just get the words down and determination on.

Villarreal: Dan, what struck you astir that inheritance with her, and however person you recovered ways to support it progressive successful your life?

Palladino: We’re 2 radical that, like, the arts person been everything. I didn’t truly spell to assemblage either, but we grew up successful L.A., and truthful the amusement manufacture was astir us. And the large happening astir the amusement industry, particularly backmost erstwhile we started, is that they did not inquire you what assemblage you went to. They truly didn’t. For starter jobs, each they needed was hustle, hard work. I’ve been moving since I was 13, delivering newspapers connected the streets of Los Angeles.

Villarreal: Subscribe to your section papers, everyone.

Palladino: Yes. So, we conscionable some benignant of people gravitated into the arts present successful Los Angeles. And “Étoile,” the caller show, is truly a emotion missive and an SOS astir the arts successful general.

Sherman-Palladino: Big, large SOS

Palladino: It’s astir ballet, but it’s besides astir theatre and the euphony manufacture and conscionable anyone trying to explicit done immoderate benignant of creator form. We wanted to amusement the difficulty, the conflict — and the struggles successful beforehand of and down the scenes arsenic well.

Villarreal: Talk much astir that. We’re seeing large cities cutting funding. We cognize that the arts person struggled since the pandemic to truly travel backmost to wherever they were earlier that. Did this premise commencement with a message-forward look, oregon however would you picture it?

Sherman-Palladino: It’s been with america for a while, but it takes connected an other urgency successful the times that we’re in, wherever the arts are wholly nether siege and theaters, particularly tiny theaters, determination theaters, they’re being decimated. Every time I get an email like, “Do you cognize however galore pointe shoes a ballerina goes done successful a year?” And they’re each connected TikTok doing, like, “I’ll bash 50 pirouettes for ...” I’m like, “Please, I volition wage you not to bash 50 pirouettes connected TikTok. Please conscionable prevention your assemblage for the stage.” I conscionable don’t deliberation radical recognize it’s dilatory disappearing. It’s been disappearing from schools mode earlier the pandemic. When we went to school, determination were arts successful schoolhouse — determination was drama, determination was dance, determination was euphony and singing, and present that that’s go unimportant, [but] it’s really the astir important thing. It’s the 1 mode that humans tin wholly pass with each other, past connection barriers, past acquisition barriers, past taste barriers. Without it, we cease to beryllium human. And I think, to me, you suffer the arts, it’s crippled over. It’s clip to conscionable Big Bang this s— and determination connected with the quality race, due to the fact that it truly is truthful tragically important, and we’re hoping radical unfastened their eyes a small spot much that thing peculiar tin go. It tin spell if you don’t wage attraction to it. I deliberation radical are learning that politically, that if you don’t wage attraction to things, they tin beryllium taken from you. And you’re like, “Hey, wherever did that go? That was bully to have. That close was bully for a while. Oh, wait, oh, it tin go. Oh, I didn’t recognize that.” Arts are the aforesaid thing. I don’t deliberation we created it for that reason. We’ve ne'er been connection writers. But I deliberation it takes connected an urgency successful the clip it’s being produced.

Villarreal: It’s been much than a decennary since we mislaid “Bunheads,” which I’m inactive mourning. That amusement starred Sutton Foster arsenic a Vegas showgirl turned small-town ballet teacher. What did you larn from that acquisition that you applied here? And did you find erstwhile you’re pitching a amusement astir the creation world, was determination interest? Was it a hard sell?

Palladino: Well, connected “Bunheads,” we met our choreographer, Marguerite Derricks, who is with america connected “Étoile,” truthful that was 1 of the large things. We loved doing “Bunheads.” I would say, successful our concern close now, buyers of worldly are truly leaning into IP, which is intelligence property, which is overmuch easier to sell—

Sherman-Palladino: Which really sounds fancier than what it is.

Palladino: It’s overmuch easier to merchantability “John Krasinski is Jack Ryan, and he’s holding a gun” than it is to merchantability an ensemble show, workplace hourlong comedy, acceptable successful the satellite of ballet successful beforehand and down the scenes. We’re not against doing thing from a publication oregon thing similar that and, successful a way, Amy benignant of created an IP successful “Gilmore Girls,” which a batch of radical deliberation possibly came from a book, but it came from her head.

Sherman-Palladino: It came from my sadness and my desperation.

Palladino: But I’d accidental close now, it is much hard to spell successful with a brand-new, caller thought based connected nothing. That’s a hard sell. We’re ever —

Villarreal: Did you person to pat dance?

Sherman-Palladino: I ever pat dance. You locomotion into a country with a large chapeau and you speech truly fast. People privation to get you retired of the room. My full vocation is benignant of fear-driven. It’s benignant of like, “If we accidental yes, possibly she’ll leave.” I deliberation that’s worked precise well.

Palladino: And I’m holding a chalkboard and I’m conscionable moving my nails connected it and they’re like, “OK, OK.”

Sherman-Palladino: “Please, immoderate you want, conscionable go.” So, that’s our small tip.

Villarreal: But obviously, it worked, right?

Sherman-Palladino: Well, it’s worked truthful far. We’ll see. I deliberation “Étoile” is facing a existent uphill conflict to exist. We got the archetypal play through, I think, partially due to the fact that there’s a batch of, “Hey, look implicit there” astatine Amazon, and they’re focused connected that. We tally implicit determination and we bash our thing; by the clip they wage attention, we’ve done it. But I bash deliberation that an archetypal amusement is not successful vogue close now, and it’s not thing that I deliberation Amazon is peculiarly funny in. We got that archetypal season, and we person the pieces, and we had this fantastic formed and these unbelievable dancers. I deliberation the 2nd play is going to beryllium a pugnacious fight. If there’s a combat to beryllium had astatine all.

Villarreal: It’s benignant of similar the taxable [the show] is mirroring the acquisition [seen wrong the show].

Sherman-Palladino: Yeah, 100%.

Palladino: It’s solely up to your listeners.

Villarreal: We request them to ticker and subscribe.

Sherman-Palladino: Go bargain toilet paper, due to the fact that seemingly that’s what they truly like, is erstwhile radical bargain toilet paper. So, if radical spell bargain toilet insubstantial and, arsenic they’re purchasing the toilet paper, they write, “We are purchasing this toilet insubstantial due to the fact that we bask ‘Étoile,’” [another season] mightiness happen.

Villarreal: How did you onshore connected the premise of these 2 large ballet companies swapping talent? I didn’t cognize that this really happened successful 2009.

Sherman-Palladino: We didn’t either. We’re like, “Oh, God, we enactment excessively hard, man. We should spell connected the internet.”

Palladino: We’re not arsenic archetypal arsenic we thought. There was IP — it’s conscionable beingness was the IP.

Sherman-Palladino: Oh, hold a minute! If we tin person Amazon it was IP ... We wanted to bash our mentation of a workplace comedy. This is thing that funny america — the ins and outs of a ballet institution and the juxtaposition of the ethereal elegance onstage versus the brutal cutthroat contention against time, deficiency of money, diversion grooming that it is backstage. And dancers are conscionable weirdos — and I accidental this with each the emotion successful my bosom due to the fact that I was a dancer and I emotion them much than anything. They’re precise unusual radical and they’re benignant of cultish, and they’re each successful a country together, and they heap connected each other, and they are ever jumping connected each and laying connected each different and doing weird push-ups that I’ve ne'er seen before. They’re conscionable an absorbing clump of people, and we wanted to amusement that broadside of it.

What we wanted to impressment upon [the viewer] is the problems since the pandemic, and truthful it was the archetypal “Let’s get butts backmost successful seats” idea. But the happening astir ballet that truly gave america a large communicative is the Paris ballet is 1 of the oldest ballet companies successful beingness — it goes backmost to the courts of the kings. In comparison, New York is the young upstart, and we truly liked the juxtaposition of the old, the tradition, the steeped successful history, versus the caller regularisation breakers. But also, successful Paris, it is government-supported. They person pensions, they person healthcare; successful America, they’re doing pirouettes connected TikTok to effort and rise wealth for their toed shoes. We wanted to beryllium capable to besides thin into the differences, the bully and bad, that travel with contented versus the newbies.

Villarreal: With the amusement of this scale, watching it, whether successful the rooms successful Paris oregon conscionable seeing what’s onstage, seeing the magnitude of extras oregon inheritance actors, wherever bash you commencement with an undertaking similar this, Dan? What was the archetypal hurdle?

Palladino: The archetypal hurdle, astir apt the biggest hurdle that’s unsocial to this, was putting unneurotic a corps of 20 dancers to beryllium the institution successful each of the cities. You spot the aforesaid 20 people. That took a agelong time. They’re existent dancers — a batch of them are inactive nonrecreational dancers that are taking immoderate clip disconnected oregon conscionable retired, oregon feeling similar they wanna interruption from that world. We had to bash planetary auditions to gully radical from London oregon Paris oregon Stuttgart oregon New York, oregon wherever we could find them. That was painstaking. It took a agelong time. It paid off, though, due to the fact that we had that large corps; that was the corps that was successful astir of the dances, that was the corps that were playing extras. We gave a batch of them lines, truthful they were existent dancers talking. That was astir apt the biggest thing. Actually shooting, the scheduling happening we ran into with Paris is that they had this happening called, I don’t cognize if you’ve heard of it, the Olympics.

Sherman-Palladino: So time-consuming and annoying.

Palladino: Very inconveniently, close successful the mediate of erstwhile we were expected to beryllium there.

Sherman-Palladino: Simone Biles, Simone Biles, Simone — I’m like, tin she creation en pointe? Because possibly we could usage her.

Palladino: I cognize for a information that nary 1 watched the Olympics.

Villarreal: What was the hurdle from that?

Sherman-Palladino: Well, they made america permission the country.

Palladino: France kicked everybody retired of the country! France kicked everybody retired of the country. There’s a crushed “Emily successful Paris” was scootering astir Rome. She was not allowed to sprout successful Paris due to the fact that they wanted it wide for respective months.

Sherman-Palladino: Every vacant thing was taken up by the Olympics.

Palladino: And they didn’t privation america walking astir the streets oregon thing due to the fact that determination was truthful overmuch information and each that stuff. That was a one-time contented for us. But we had changeable earlier successful Paris for “Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.” We really utilized the aforesaid accumulation company, truthful our feline Raphael was there, a batch of the aforesaid crew. We knew they person antithetic hours and each that stuff. I won’t spell into the boring details of that, but the French workers deliberation that they privation a beingness implicit not having a life. They lone privation to enactment 10 hours a time alternatively of 16. And it’s like, “Hello? I conjecture you privation slumber excessively and [to] spot your kids.” I don’t recognize their lifestyle. So, we knew each that, and erstwhile you get into the bushed of moving with the crews and the antithetic roles, it’s perfectly fantastic moving successful a spot similar Paris.

Villarreal: What was the archetypal absorption — the rumblings oregon whispers you heard — from wrong the creation assemblage erstwhile they heard you were making the show? And however did your work, Amy, connected “Once Upon a Mattress” prep you for this oregon assistance you?

Sherman-Palladino: They were wary. We had to bash a batch of, “We travel successful peace” — a lot. Because a mates things person happened successful amusement and ballet. One is that, due to the fact that you spot each this fluid quality onstage and a batch tulle, it’s casual to deliberation that the amusive happening to thin into is, “But offstage, they’re each vomiting and pushing each different disconnected of buildings!” — which, by the way, I didn’t spot 1 idiosyncratic propulsion idiosyncratic disconnected of a building. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but it didn’t hap connected our watch. I deliberation they were benignant of feeling similar they’ve ne'er been, to their satisfaction, portrayed similar what the existent dancer acquisition is. The different happening is, I deliberation a batch of times they effort and fell who the dancers are and propulsion them into, “This conscionable happened magically, and determination was nary existent dancer down this.” One of our large things erstwhile we approached our dancers is to say, “This is not a amusement astir dance. This is simply a amusement astir dancers. This is astir you guys and your story. Nobody puts connected pointe shoes and walks astir successful tights unless they are an existent nonrecreational dancer connected our show.” We wanted them to recognize they were not wallpaper, they were the story. It took a while, and it’s portion of the crushed it took truthful agelong to cobble unneurotic these 2 [groups of dancers] due to the fact that a batch of radical were wary of like, “What are we getting into?” and “Why americium I going to permission my institution for this magnitude of — I cognize that you’re paying america money, but still, what are you gonna do? And however are you going to represent us?” So, it took a small spot of time, but arsenic the dancers started doing it, connection started trickling back. We were precise fortunate to person Tiler Peck and Unity Phelan and Robbie Fairchild and Benjamin Freedman. We had these fantastic apical ace dancers who would travel in, and they would spell backmost to their friends and they would say, “They’re not arsenic atrocious arsenic you deliberation they are. It seems similar they care.”

We took truly bully attraction of them. We spent fortunes connected each of our sprung floors due to the fact that I didn’t privation dancers dancing connected thing that could wounded them. It was precise important. Their wellness was important to us, and our crew, we told them, “They are much important than your cameras close now.” These are the radical that we’re each caring about. There was trepidation astatine first, and I deliberation that by the extremity of it, we conscionable gained their trust. They started to person amusive with what we were doing, and we were each successful it together. And moving with dancers, being successful a satellite of artists who are purely successful it for the art, due to the fact that they’re virtually ne'er going marque a dime — I deliberation each cynical idiosyncratic successful Hollywood should walk a fewer hours successful a creation studio. They should instrumentality their computers, oregon whatever, and spell beryllium successful a dancing workplace and truly sorb it and ticker it and consciousness it. It volition alteration your cynicism, astatine slightest for the moment.

Villarreal: You some nonstop this season. As we talked astir before, you person actors that did dance, actors who didn’t dance, dancers who’ve ne'er acted, you’ve got radical from your Palladino universe, you got caller faces. What did that mean successful presumption of directing?

Palladino: It was similar “Bunheads” successful a way; connected that show, we had immoderate actors who were marque new, young radical who were marque new. In this show, due to the fact that it was successful a much big world, they were older, but these were dancers who had ne'er acted before.

Sherman-Palladino: Some of them. Tiler’s done immoderate stuff.

Palladino: Yeah, Tiler and radical similar that. But determination are immoderate French actors that [are] featured who had ne'er been connected camera. I deliberation we’re bully radical to person the acquisition with of doing your archetypal on-camera happening due to the fact that we really bask it.

Sherman-Palladino: We besides spent a batch of clip with them. So we got their voices successful our heads. So we know, “Oh, Umi ... this is simply a bully infinitesimal for her.” When you get to cognize people, you cognize wherever they unrecorded and what is going to beryllium amusive for them.

Villarreal: You person a specific, chiseled style. You’re known for the rapid-fire dialog that’s often dense connected the popular civilization references. Here, you’re trying to bash that successful English and successful French. Talk to maine astir navigating that, the benignant of settling into a groove there.

Sherman-Palladino: We person problems mentally. We are precise ill.

Palladino: We don’t talk oregon constitute French.

Sherman-Palladino: We person each the apps downloaded connected our phone. We’ve got Duolingo sighing astatine america each day. Just truthful overmuch disappointment.

Palladino: We went done galore translators successful the opening and recovered a truly large translator, astir whom each our French actors were saying, “This is the close rhythm. They’re getting your English bushed successful French.” That was the tricky part. Apparently French has one-sixth the vocabulary of English, which I was amazed to find out.

Sherman-Palladino: It seems precise American that we person mode excessively galore words.

Palladino: We person mode excessively galore words, yes. Too overmuch of everything. It was absorbing due to the fact that determination are days erstwhile we went successful and we were speechmaking the publication over, and I had written the scene, but it was successful French and I’d forgotten what the country was about, and I rapidly had to punctual myself. And the actors are spitfiring each this worldly out. From there, we’re looking for the emotion, we’re looking for rhythm, and sometimes astatine the extremity of a scene, we crook to our French assistants and say, “Was that funny?”

Villarreal: I was going to say, however bash you cognize if it’s landing?

Palladino: [We’d ask], “Did they accidental each the words?” And they’d beryllium like, “Yeah, it was precise funny.”

Sherman-Palladino: A batch of it was, “Did they accidental each the words?” due to the fact that the French talk truly fast. It’s like, wherever person they been my full life? But they talk truthful fast, and speech astir nary punctuation — there’s not a play oregon a comma successful the satellite to halt them erstwhile they commencement talking. Something that we thought was similar six sentences, 7 sentences would beryllium done successful a second. And you person to say, “They didn’t accidental each the words, right? Like, they near immoderate sentences out?” And they’re like, “No, no, they said everything.” “Every word? All of this? They said each of this?” “Yeah, yeah, they said each of it.” It was a truly antithetic experience, but we enjoyed it truthful much, and the French were specified gamers. They were conscionable truthful into it, and determination was nary laissez-faire, like, “Oh, we’re French, whatever.” They came to play. We’ve been successful this concern six, 7 1000 years now, and it’s bully for america to propulsion ourselves retired of our ain comfortableness zone. You don’t privation to instrumentality your caput nether a pillow and propulsion down hard astatine night.

Villarreal: You’re known for agelong scripts. Did “Étoile” scripts consciousness immoderate bigger oregon chunkier than “The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel” oregon “Gilmore Girls”?

Sherman-Palladino: They felt astir the same. We tried to propulsion them backmost a small spot lone due to the fact that we had dispersed for dance. But the shows are dense. The shows are big. The dialog is the dialogue. A batch of the crushed that our scripts look truthful agelong is not needfully that they, time-wise, are longer than different scripts. It’s conscionable that if a leafage of dialog is usually a minute, ours are 30 seconds oregon less, truthful it’s conscionable gonna treble the magnitude of pages. Sometimes it’s a small spot of an illusion. But it was tricky. In America, we tin sprout longer hours. In France, we truly had to economize however we sprout things. You person 10 hours, past they’re like, “See ya! Bye!” No 1 adjacent turns the lights off. We truly had to absorption successful and get that enactment done successful the astir economical mode that we could.

Villarreal: What were the conversations [like], landing connected a ocular benignant for the performances and what you wanted retired of those? I emotion the typography, similar who’s choreography it is and who’s dancing.

Palladino: That was thing we realized successful the editing room, due to the fact that we deed Episode 4 and determination were truthful galore dances, and we were cutting from 1 metropolis to the adjacent city, that we conscionable wanted the assemblage not to beryllium like, “Wait, what is this? Is this the aforesaid dance? Is this thing different?”

Sherman-Palladino: It was besides a motion to “Turning Point.” They did it successful “The Turning Point,” which is 1 of the large — due to the fact that of “Turning Point” we person Mikhail Baryshnikov connected camera successful his premier that everybody tin spot erstwhile they privation to spot existent greatness astatine the tallness of greatness. That was our extremity of the chapeau to different movie that truly captured and honored dance.

Villarreal: Even the visuals of conscionable the sweeping motions of the camera — were determination a batch of conversations of however we privation these performances to basal out?

Palladino: We did benignant of coordinate, due to the fact that determination are times erstwhile [it was like], “Oh, Amy did that shot, I don’t privation to bash this shot,” oregon “I privation to amusement you I’m going to bash the shot, truthful don’t you situation bash this earlier I bash this.” We were shooting everything retired of order, truthful we besides had to support way of what was going where. We choreographed these pieces, we looked astatine them, and you conscionable effort to representation what is the champion mode to seizure it. Also, we enactment with our camera relation and our manager of photography, they travel up with ideas. You enactment unfastened to suggestions. You don’t spell successful with a rigid acceptable thing.

Sherman-Palladino: A batch of times, though, the creation pieces were story, truthful sometimes that dictated the mode you changeable it, due to the fact that we tried to not bash a batch of like, “Let’s halt for dance.” We tried to marque definite that the creation was saying thing astir quality oregon pushing the communicative guardant oregon arsenic portion of the narrative, and that is going to archer you however sprout it, due to the fact that you’re not conscionable saying, “Here’s beauteous dancing,” you’re going, “This is what’s important. This is what you request to beryllium focusing on. This is the infinitesimal wherever Cheyenne [a prima dancer], who has taken over, is going to travel successful and bash something”; past you’re going to chopped to Tobias [an idiosyncratic choreographer] and you’re going to realize, “Oh, that’s wherefore we’re doing this dance, due to the fact that Tobias is determination witnessing thing and we’re tying it in.”

The different happening astir creation is, if you person dancers similar this, show the dancing. We person these fabulous dancers and these beauteous dancers. There were truthful galore times I’m like, “Don’t you situation chopped disconnected those feet. I privation the feet.” Because they people it truthful that they don’t get bushed portion we’re mounting the camera. You person to punctual your cameraman, “Now erstwhile they bash it, that leap that helium marked, it’s gonna beryllium doubly arsenic high, which means he’s gonna spell retired of framework if you’re not acceptable for him to spell doubly arsenic high.” There was a batch of method stuff. We person this large unit that’s been with america for truthful long, and they’re each perfectionists, and they would bash things a cardinal times. And we person to say, “You can’t bash it a cardinal times due to the fact that these are people, and they are going to travel and Take 1, they’re going to beryllium perfect. So we person to beryllium cleanable [at] Take 1. We person to beryllium acceptable for them, due to the fact that by Take 5, they’re going to beryllium like, ‘Hey, I ain’t doing that triple cabriole anymore. I’m peacing retired connected that, and we’re done.” If we haven’t captured it, past we’ve mislaid it.

Villarreal: The main communicative is what drew america in, but I’d beryllium remiss if we didn’t speech astir the mode that you guys marque america vessel for characters and wanna spot what develops betwixt them, adjacent erstwhile we don’t cognize wherever things are headed. Talk a small spot astir processing those kinds of dynamics betwixt the characters.

Palladino: It’s conscionable a dilatory process. We’re successful a writers’ room, we spell down this path, it hits a dormant end, we spell down this path, that seems to subdivision retired into something.

Sherman-Palladino: Lunch is late, truthful we person to support talking due to the fact that we’re waiting for luncheon to amusement up.

Palladino: We speech astir luncheon for 45 minutes. It’s a batch of lunchtime. We travel backmost successful and speech astir however disappointed we were by lunch, and that’s a day, past we’re done.

Sherman-Palladino: Then we realized we haven’t talked astir the characters astatine all, and the adjacent time it’s each implicit again.

Palladino: If you reverse technologist what we do, you spot that it starts small, it starts with immoderate wide ideas. We besides thin to deliberation episodes ahead. We’ll cognize like, “Oh, we privation Tobias to beryllium here successful Episode 4.” So arsenic we commencement his travel done Episode 2 and 3, we’ve got to marque definite that leads to that. And you bash that with each 1 of the characters, and this cloth tapestry conscionable benignant of gets woven very, precise dilatory until it’s clip to sprout it, really.

Sherman-Palladino: We bash truthful overmuch talking successful the writers’ country astir wherever we privation our characters to onshore emotionally. And that doesn’t needfully mean that we cognize the nonstop communicative constituent that we privation them to onshore on. But we benignant of cognize emotionally wherever they started and wherever we wanted them to end. A batch of times, that dictates your ins and your outs. Our cleanest benignant of emotion communicative is Gabin and Tobias. That was a clean, “You find your muse, the muse feeds, and they find each other.” Luckily, we had this astonishing weirdo named Gideon Glick, who was besides connected our penning staff, who, arsenic we were creating, we hadn’t decided that helium was going beryllium the quality [of Tobias]. I don’t deliberation helium was adjacent reasoning that due to the fact that helium was benignant of thinking, “I’m a writer now.” But arsenic we were talking astir this character, we conscionable kept staring astatine him. He’s like, “Why are you guys staring astatine maine each time long?” We conscionable realized, “Well, it’s gotta beryllium you.” And past we recovered this darling, Ivan du Pontavice, who plays Gabin, and the 2 of them conscionable clicked. That’s the benignant of happening you tin enactment connected paper, you tin constitute the s— retired of it, you tin person large stuff, and it conscionable doesn’t click, and you can’t enactment your digit connected why, and you conscionable don’t cognize it. And [with them, it] conscionable clicked. There’s different times wherever things that you hadn’t planned, I’ll spell backmost to “Maisel” and Lenny and Midge. We didn’t program connected this large Lenny and Midge [storyline] and that someday they were going to beryllium successful furniture together. He was determination to work her, benignant of her Tinkerbell, her Jiminy Cricket a small bit. Then the chemistry got there, and you saw them unneurotic and you’re like, “Well, you gotta spell determination due to the fact that different you’re wasting it.” So, sometimes it’s planned and it doesn’t work, and sometimes it conscionable happens. It worked with Gabin and Tobias, luckily, similar gangbusters similar close disconnected the bat.

Villarreal: That last buss was good. Was determination astir nary kiss, oregon determination was ever going to beryllium a kiss?

Sherman-Palladino: There was ever going to beryllium a kiss. It was comic due to the fact that I’m the worst idiosyncratic to sprout that benignant of worldly due to the fact that I ne'er privation to spot anyone naked. Intimacy coordinators — why? I don’t privation to spot it. I’m talking astir connected camera. I was like, “Oh, OK, the kiss. So, however bash you privation to ... ?” They some looked astatine maine like, “What is your problem?” It was similar thing for them. They’re like, “We’re conscionable going to kiss.” Gideon was like, “I’m going to locomotion connected and buss him, right? Do you privation thing weird?” I’m like, “No, that’s fine. I’m conscionable going to beryllium backmost astatine the camera. I’ll conscionable beryllium implicit here.” It turned retired arsenic bully arsenic I could person hoped.

Villarreal: As you’re reasoning astir Season 2, what are you hoping to explore? I cognize Luke wants to dance. Could you spot yourself penning a creation for Luke?

Sherman-Palladino: Oh, Luke. Luke says things.

Palladino: A nightmare series that idiosyncratic has of Luke’s quality dancing, maybe. And possibly it’s Luke’s quality having that nightmare dance. I would accidental beryllium cautious what you privation for, Luke Kirby.

Sherman Palladino: Because if we springiness it to you, you’re going to beryllium calling america successful the mediate of the nighttime going, “I’m sorry, what? I conscionable work the ... Are you ... It was a gag ...”

Villarreal: Anything other though that you anticipation to explore?

Sherman-Palladino: I conscionable anticipation we get a 2nd season. I’m precise superstitious. If I knew that we had a 2nd season, I’d beryllium like, “Right, we’re going to spell present and we’re going to ...” but since I’m not getting that sense, I’m conscionable benignant of like, “Everyone bask the archetypal play portion you got it.”

Villarreal: Do we request to telephone Crispin Shamblee [a ballet benefactor successful the series]?

Sherman-Palladino: I deliberation a Crispin Shamblee would help. I deliberation we gotta find a existent Crispin Shamblee to assistance america out.